Tyres

BerndRos · Jul 27, 2023

Always have Michelins, Primacy the last couple of times. ATS are recommending Michelin CrossClimate All Seasons. Does anyone please have experience of both of these tyre models that they can share.

Thanks

Kayleigh · Jul 27, 2023

ATS are owned by Michelin so may be why they recommend them

However, I have the CrossClimate 2 all season tyres and they are excellent. Better grip all round over the original tyres. I for one can recommend them. :thumb

B J G · Jul 27, 2023

I've got the slightly higher profile 235/60/17 106 SUV CrossClimate version.

Very good in wet - very wet downpour conditions never had a hint of aquaplaning.
Wear rate is very low. They only had 6mm tread depth when new.
SUV version has stronger sidewalls than standard version. Gives more positive steering/handling which helps reduce the roll effect on roundabouts.

Worth considering the other Michelins depending on your personal Cali use.

Agilis Crossclimate - a top end commercial rated tyre. Not available in 235/55/17 only in 235/60/17 or 16" rim versions to suit Cali.

Latitude Cross - negative being not a 3 Peak marked tyre if going to locations requiring this spec tyres in winter.

CaliBaba · Jul 27, 2023

Recently fitted the CC2s and so far I have no issues. The ride seems better and going from summer to all season should prove beneficial for long term usage.

teeboy · Jul 27, 2023

They are both Michellin, just different types of tyre. Primacy are "Summer" tyres which is what 90% of drivers use all year round in the UK. CrossClimate are "All Seasons" tyres which are designed for all seasons, so work like Summer in the summer, but perform better than summer tyres in the mud and snow. I have specified "All Season" on my new Cali, as they will be better on the mud of camp sites.

Cross Climate are regarded as one of the best All Season tyres, but they are also one of the most expensive.

On my other car I have just put on the Hankook ones from this review - recommended like CrossClimate, but a bit cheaper. https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2022-Tyre-Reviews-All-Season-Tyre-Test.htm

Worth saying that if you are doing lots of snow driving, then genuine snow tyres will also out perform All seasons in the snow, but will wear out fast in the summer - so people tend to have these on a seperate set of wheels and change with the season.

Iron Van · Jul 27, 2023

Another for Cross Climate 2. I went for 235 55 18 and have been very happy. Noticeably quieter than the original Bridgestones and been great in the rain and wet fields.

soulstyledevon · Jul 27, 2023

teeboy said:
They are both Michellin, just different types of tyre. Primacy are "Summer" tyres which is what 90% of drivers use all year round in the UK. CrossClimate are "All Seasons" tyres which are designed for all seasons, so work like Summer in the summer, but perform better than summer tyres in the mud and snow. I have specified "All Season" on my new Cali, as they will be better on the mud of camp sites.

Cross Climate are regarded as one of the best All Season tyres, but they are also one of the most expensive.

On my other car I have just put on the Hankook ones from this review - recommended like CrossClimate, but a bit cheaper. https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2022-Tyre-Reviews-All-Season-Tyre-Test.htm

Worth saying that if you are doing lots of snow driving, then genuine snow tyres will also out perform All seasons in the snow, but will wear out fast in the summer - so people tend to have these on a seperate set of wheels and change with the season.

I’m not sure CC are better in the mud.
They’re designed for wet and snow and that’s where their strengths are. I found them a brilliant tyre for UK use and odd trips to the managed roads of the alps.
However, in mud conditions I find the tyre lacking.

Californication69 · Jul 27, 2023

soulstyledevon said:
I’m not sure CC are better in the mud.
They’re designed for wet and snow and that’s where their strengths are. I found them a brilliant tyre for UK use and odd trips to the managed roads of the alps.
However, in mud conditions I find the tyre lacking.

Would these be suitable for mud ?

Tbh, really happy with them. A mix of A roads for an hour and motorway at 70mph, getting 32mpg yesterday !

Wildcamper · Jul 28, 2023

Agilis for me. Been very happy. In my opinion the extra load rating is a plus.

soulstyledevon · Jul 28, 2023

Californication69 said:
Would these be suitable for mud ?
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Tbh, really happy with them. A mix of A roads for an hour and motorway at 70mph, getting 32mpg yesterday !

They are mud tyres…

CraigD · Jul 31, 2023

B J G said:
I've got the slightly higher profile 235/60/17 106 SUV CrossClimate version.

Very good in wet - very wet downpour conditions never had a hint of aquaplaning.
Wear rate is very low. They only had 6mm tread depth when new.
SUV version has stronger sidewalls than standard version. Gives more positive steering/handling which helps reduce the roll effect on roundabouts.

Worth considering the other Michelins depending on your personal Cali use.

Agilis Crossclimate - a top end commercial rated tyre. Not available in 235/55/17 only in 235/60/17 or 16" rim versions to suit Cali.

Latitude Cross - negative being not a 3 Peak marked tyre if going to locations requiring this spec tyres in winter.

I am curious about the difference when using 60 profile instead of 55. I’m looking at replacing 235/55/17s too. From what you’ve said you seem very happy with the higher profile?

B J G · Jul 31, 2023

CraigD said:
I am curious about the difference when using 60 profile instead of 55. I’m looking at replacing 235/55/17s too. From what you’ve said you seem very happy with the higher profile?

I found the SUV Crossclimate ones have a more rigid sidewall giving more positive steering response and the extra 5% profile helps to soak up our poor road conditions.
Cross reference to Sat Nav speed I am travelling approximately 1MPH faster than Speedo indication. A gain of 2>3MPH on 55 tyres @70MPH. Was doing 68 with 70 indicated.
No speed camera tolerance!
Distance travelled under reads obviously.

Visually fills the arches a bit more.
Most 60 profiles are 102 load rated with a few 106 ones, (which the Michelin is)

BeeBee · Dec 3, 2023

Will be considering the Michelin CC 2 for the van, when they’re needed but currently it’s our Subaru Forester E Boxer that needs two new front tyres and had me wondering if it’s worth considering buying the Michelin CC2’s ( obviously four new tyres ).
Anyone have a Subaru with these fitted ?

Elmo3 · Dec 3, 2023

BeeBee said:
Will be considering the Michelin CC 2 for the van, when they’re needed but currently it’s our Subaru Forester E Boxer that needs two new front tyres and had me wondering if it’s worth considering buying the Michelin CC2’s ( obviously four new tyres ).
Anyone have a Subaru with these fitted ?

Had a Forester and now an XV. Changed the stock summer tyres on both for Yokohama AT GO15’s. Absolutely transformed both cars, great for all year round use, brilliant in the winter and wear very well. They’d done 60K miles on the Forester when I sold it. Wouldn’t fit anything else.

BeeBee · Dec 3, 2023

Elmo3 said:
Had a Forester and now an XV. Changed the stock summer tyres on both for Yokohama AT GO15’s. Absolutely transformed both cars, great for all year round use, brilliant in the winter and wear very well. They’d done 60K miles on the Forester when I sold it. Wouldn’t fit anything else.

Just had a look at comparison of Yokohama AT GO15’s. vs Michelin Cross Climate 2’s and your recommendation comes out very well, Thanks

Elmo3 · Dec 3, 2023

BeeBee said:
Just had a look at comparison of Yokohama AT GO15’s. vs Michelin Cross Climate 2’s and your recommendation comes out very well, Thanks

Yes, they’re very popular with Subaru owners.

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