Did you get a jack in your T6.1 cali

andyinluton · Jan 9, 2023

Having just taken delivery of a MY23 Ocean I was quite suprised to be told that if you have 18” wheels you don’t get a jack anymore.

The equipment list shown via we connect lists all the options and equipment fitted and that list includes tyre inflation kit and pantograph jack.

The dealer insists though that a jack should not be included.

Also not supplied anymore ( compared to my previous 199 T6.1 ) are the rear cup holder, flexible light that goes in a lighter socket and the trim panels on the front of the front seat bases.

Anyone else with a recent van that has had these?

yossarian · Jan 9, 2023

andyinluton said:
Having just taken delivery of a MY23 Ocean I was quite suprised to be told that if you have 18” wheels you don’t get a jack anymore.

Can't comment, I got a jack with 17" wheels.

andyinluton said:
Also not supplied anymore ( compared to my previous 199 T6.1 ) are the rear cup holder,

Same here

andyinluton said:
flexible light that goes in a lighter socket

Same

andyinluton said:
and the trim panels on the front of the front seat bases.

Same

andyinluton said:
Anyone else with a recent van that has had these?

MY 22

Begize · Jan 9, 2023

andyinluton said:
Having just taken delivery of a MY23 Ocean I was quite suprised to be told that if you have 18” wheels you don’t get a jack anymore.

The equipment list shown via we connect lists all the options and equipment fitted and that list includes tyre inflation kit and pantograph jack.

The dealer insists though that a jack should not be included.

Also not supplied anymore ( compared to my previous 199 T6.1 ) are the rear cup holder, flexible light that goes in a lighter socket and the trim panels on the front of the front seat bases.

Anyone else with a recent van that has had these?

My MY22 delivered in September has 18 inch wheels and came with a jack in the usual place (in the box behind the bench). The inflation kit was fastened to the side of the bench (where the 2nd drawer can go).

No flexi light but got a small 12v socket type LED torch which I think was supposed to be an optional extra but the rest was what I was expecting - a couple of bin type things (one that fits in the door pockets, one in the cupholders), a pair of fly screens for the side windows, the table headrest strap, the upper bed child net and a very short EU plug EHU adapter.

No trim panels on the front of the front seat bases either.

Oh should probably add a first aid kit and warning triangle as I remember reading a few people saying theirs were missing.

andyinluton · Jan 9, 2023

Thanks, I will be discussing the jack further.
I got the little torch & other bits apart from the larger door bin, I had one of those lying around so not too bothered.
However I am fitting a spare wheel & despite it not being a brilliant jack it doesn’t take up any room so I need one.

Californication69 · Jan 9, 2023

Begize said:
My MY22 delivered in September has 18 inch wheels and came with a jack in the usual place (in the box behind the bench). The inflation kit was fastened to the side of the bench (where the 2nd drawer can go).

No flexi light but got a small 12v socket type LED torch which I think was supposed to be an optional extra but the rest was what I was expecting - a couple of bin type things (one that fits in the door pockets, one in the cupholders), a pair of fly screens for the side windows, the table headrest strap, the upper bed child net and a very short EU plug EHU adapter.

No trim panels on the front of the front seat bases either.

Oh should probably add a first aid kit and warning triangle as I remember reading a few people saying theirs were missing.

What Begize said.

MY23 delivered end of Nov22.
18” & 4M

dspuk · Jan 9, 2023

andyinluton said:
Having just taken delivery of a MY23 Ocean I was quite suprised to be told that if you have 18” wheels you don’t get a jack anymore.

The equipment list shown via we connect lists all the options and equipment fitted and that list includes tyre inflation kit and pantograph jack.

The dealer insists though that a jack should not be included.

Also not supplied anymore ( compared to my previous 199 T6.1 ) are the rear cup holder, flexible light that goes in a lighter socket and the trim panels on the front of the front seat bases.

Anyone else with a recent van that has had these?

We have a MY22. No flexible light (but a small thumb one) but we have the 18" and a jack. No rear cupholder either. No idea what the trim panels are.

Tarquers · Jan 9, 2023

My 2021 came with 18s and no Jack or spare. Did have an annoying piece of plastic shaped like a Jack in the right place (LHD wheel well (beach)) which holds the tow eye, wheel nut cover remover (covers not supplied) and no wheel brace.

Hawthorn37 · Jan 9, 2023

andyinluton said:
Having just taken delivery of a MY23 Ocean I was quite suprised to be told that if you have 18” wheels you don’t get a jack anymore.

The equipment list shown via we connect lists all the options and equipment fitted and that list includes tyre inflation kit and pantograph jack.

The dealer insists though that a jack should not be included.

Also not supplied anymore ( compared to my previous 199 T6.1 ) are the rear cup holder, flexible light that goes in a lighter socket and the trim panels on the front of the front seat bases.

Anyone else with a recent van that has had these?

We had no jack, just the inflation kit. 18” wheels, MY22.

markusschork · Jan 10, 2023

Same here, jack was missing. But it doesn’t make any sense. Even if you’d want the junk pumped in your tyre, you would need a jack, wouldn’t you?

Dell · Jan 10, 2023

2023 received sept 22, 4M 204 17” spare wheel, jack, wheel brace. Small Cup holder table strap and small torch.

Corradobrit · Jan 10, 2023

I was told 18" wheels = no spare and therefore, I assume, would explain the absence of a jack.

yossarian · Jan 10, 2023

markusschork said:
Same here, jack was missing. But it doesn’t make any sense. Even if you’d want the junk pumped in your tyre, you would need a jack, wouldn’t you?

Makes sense to me but according to the manual. They want you to drive a short distance to get the gunk around the tyre.

Hawthorn37 · Jan 10, 2023

After reading the manual my reaction was - made a mistake ordering 18” ! What an absolute palaver. And it’s not something you can try out to be practised.

Corradobrit · Jan 10, 2023

Hawthorn37 said:
After reading the manual my reaction was - made a mistake ordering 18” ! What an absolute palaver. And it’s not something you can try out to be practised.

And doing all that in the rain in a howling gale. Sounds like fun.

yossarian · Jan 10, 2023

Hawthorn37 said:
After reading the manual my reaction was - made a mistake ordering 18” ! What an absolute palaver. And it’s not something you can try out to be practised.

And they want you to throw away the tyre afterwards.

andyinluton · Jan 10, 2023

Hawthorn37 said:
After reading the manual my reaction was - made a mistake ordering 18” ! What an absolute palaver. And it’s not something you can try out to be practised.

It's pretty standard - 5 out of our six cars have the same gunk system, the 6th I carry a spare inner tube. One problem is that if it's just a slow puncture you are better off just pumping up the tyre than using the gunk. If it is a quick puncture the chances are that the tyre has been driven on flat & wrecked & if it's a big hole the gunk won't work anyway.

The biggest pain is then actually finding somewhere with a tyre in stock. I had a 3 day wait last week for the correct tyre for our UP! Daughter hit a pothole at 10pm on her way to work & put a hole in the sidewall.
I have a set of tyre plugs for emergency use but the hole was really too big for those & you must not use them on a sidewall anyway.

I took the daughter to work in the van, did a real bodge with plugs on the car tyre & drove it very slowly the 3 miles home & onto the tyre fitters a mile away 3 days later.
The AA suggested at least a 6 hour wait, the other alternative of driving home on a 100% flat tyre would probably have wrecked the rim. Leaving the car where it was wasn't an option.

In our van we will carry the Gunk, a set of tyre plugs and a spare wheel. Depending on the situation I will use whatever is appropriate.

Hawthorn37 · Jan 10, 2023

andyinluton said:
It's pretty standard - 5 out of our six cars have the same gunk system, the 6th I carry a spare inner tube. One problem is that if it's just a slow puncture you are better off just pumping up the tyre than using the gunk. If it is a quick puncture the chances are that the tyre has been driven on flat & wrecked & if it's a big hole the gunk won't work anyway.

The biggest pain is then actually finding somewhere with a tyre in stock. I had a 3 day wait last week for the correct tyre for our UP! Daughter hit a pothole at 10pm on her way to work & put a hole in the sidewall.
I have a set of tyre plugs for emergency use but the hole was really too big for those & you must not use them on a sidewall anyway.

I took the daughter to work in the van, did a real bodge with plugs on the car tyre & drove it very slowly the 3 miles home & onto the tyre fitters a mile away 3 days later.
The AA suggested at least a 6 hour wait, the other alternative of driving home on a 100% flat tyre would probably have wrecked the rim. Leaving the car where it was wasn't an option.

In our van we will carry the Gunk, a set of tyre plugs and a spare wheel. Depending on the situation I will use whatever is appropriate.

View attachment 103945

Good shout about tyre plugs, but to use these do you need to get the tyre off the rim?

A week ago, I had a nail through a tyre on my car, middle of the tread. It was a slowish puncture and I was able to pump up, and drive the the tyre centre. £20 and it was done. If I’d filled it with sealant it would have been about £200.

andyinluton · Jan 10, 2023

Hawthorn37 said:
Good shout about tyre plugs, but to use these do you need to get the tyre off the rim?

A week ago, I had a nail through a tyre on my car, middle of the tread. It was a slowish puncture and I was able to pump up, and drive the the tyre centre. £20 and it was done. If I’d filled it with sealant it would have been about £200.

No, you just need to be able to get to the hole.
kit comes with an awl about 100mm long with rough edges, poke that in the hole & roughen up the sides.
Then you have a very large sewing needle with a handle on it, thread a 100mm plug through the eye, coat it in glue, force it in the hole in the tyre leaving an inch of plug still sticking out, yank the needle out the hole - it has a cutting edge in the eye, trim off the excess plug. reinflate tyre. From finding the hole to re-inflating takes about 3 or 4 minutes.

The biggest difference will be how good your pump is & how long it takes to reinflate the tyre.

For a nail / screw in the main tread area I wouldn't hesitate to drive on that until it was convenient to get the tyre changed.

On the up! the fix involved putting 2 plugs in at the same time using a screwdriver to assist & really was an emergency last resort get you home type of fix

As you can see it takes up a tiny amount of room to carry the kit.

get you home repair

B J G · Jan 10, 2023

andyinluton said:
No, you just need to be able to get to the hole.
kit comes with an awl about 100mm long with rough edges, poke that in the hole & roughen up the sides.
Then you have a very large sewing needle with a handle on it, thread a 100mm plug through the eye, coat it in glue, force it in the hole in the tyre leaving an inch of plug still sticking out, yank the needle out the hole - it has a cutting edge in the eye, trim off the excess plug. reinflate tyre. From finding the hole to re-inflating takes about 3 or 4 minutes.

The biggest difference will be how good your pump is & how long it takes to reinflate the tyre.

For a nail / screw in the main tread area I wouldn't hesitate to drive on that until it was convenient to get the tyre changed.

On the up! the fix involved putting 2 plugs in at the same time using a screwdriver to assist & really was an emergency last resort get you home type of fix

As you can see it takes up a tiny amount of room to carry the kit.

View attachment 103946get you home repair

Would really need the wheel off which brings back the no jack issue.

I carried that type of repair kit around some years ago but resorted to the leaving the object (a stone in one instance with multiple stops to reinflate) in to act as a plug and using the repeated blowing up process. Not a Motorway option.

Pretty sure that the removal of the jack would be part of the micro cost cutting production process in an attempt to cap retail prices. logically no need for a jack if no spare wheel.

Calimili · Jan 10, 2023

Well, so far this thread convinced me even more I'm very happy with 17" and having a spare wheel.
Especially the point about the availability of 18" new tyres, on stock without ordering. I had this problem on my Q7 as the 21" tyre was never in stock always to be ordered as not common, same as the 18" for the Cali. 17" Cali tyres are the most common so you always find one in stock .
A 17" spare, when the 18"gets a flat, will get you home, you'd have to mount it on the rear, but a much better piece of mind vs plugs and other repair kits with limitations.

andyinluton · Jan 10, 2023

B J G said:
Pretty sure that the removal of the jack would be part of the micro cost cutting production process in an attempt to cap retail prices. logically no need for a jack if no spare wheel.

I van understand the cost cutting etc but if you use the "My Garage" part of VWs website it brings up the equipment fitted to your vehicle - its done by Vin Number so should reflect factory fitted equipment.

This clearly shows a tool kit with pantograph jack, not a toolkit with space to put a jack if you want to buy one seperatly, every other detail on the sheet tallies with what's been delivered so is it unreasonable to be requesting the missing jack?

Calimili · Jan 10, 2023

always wandered where those new jacks on ebay come from...

yossarian · Jan 10, 2023

andyinluton said:
I van understand the cost cutting etc but if you use the "My Garage" part of VWs website it brings up the equipment fitted to your vehicle - its done by Vin Number so should reflect factory fitted equipment.

This clearly shows a tool kit with pantograph jack, not a toolkit with space to put a jack if you want to buy one seperatly, every other detail on the sheet tallies with what's been delivered so is it unreasonable to be requesting the missing jack?View attachment 103948

Nicely played. Your dealer's move I think.

vmaxkiddy · Jan 11, 2023

Hawthorn37 said:
Good shout about tyre plugs, but to use these do you need to get the tyre off the rim?

A week ago, I had a nail through a tyre on my car, middle of the tread. It was a slowish puncture and I was able to pump up, and drive the the tyre centre. £20 and it was done. If I’d filled it with sealant it would have been about £200.

I carry Holts tyreweld in all my vehicles and have used it successfully on several occasions. If the puncture is repairable using this sealant won’t prevent a repair being carried out unlike the gunk used in the VW supplied kit.

Tyreweld Emergency Tyre Puncture Repair | Holts

Tyreweld from Holts is the incredibly simple-to-use tyre repair formula. Simply spray into a punctured tyre and the Tyreweld will find and fill the puncture

www.holtsauto.com

Hawthorn37 · Jan 11, 2023

vmaxkiddy said:
I carry Holts tyreweld in all my vehicles and have used it successfully on several occasions. If the puncture is repairable using this sealant won’t prevent a repair being carried out unlike the gunk used in the VW supplied kit.

Tyreweld Emergency Tyre Puncture Repair | Holts

Tyreweld from Holts is the incredibly simple-to-use tyre repair formula. Simply spray into a punctured tyre and the Tyreweld will find and fill the puncture

www.holtsauto.com

I’m sure I’ve got some of that in the garage - a Costco purchase some years ago.

Did you get a jack in your T6.1 cali

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