Crosswind Assist

jam_hod · Aug 20, 2023

Hi all,

We've had our T6.1 nearly 12 months now and have a few times driven in windy conditions but have never felt the crosswind assist do anything, looked through the settings in Driver Assist (see picture) and nothing mentions it. I rechecked the brochure from when we ordered it in June 2021 and it definitely says it should have it (see picture).

Vehicle was delivered August 2022, does anyone know where I can confirm or check we have it before contacting the dealer to query it?

WelshGas · Aug 20, 2023

jam_hod said:
Hi all,

We've had our T6.1 nearly 12 months now and have a few times driven in windy conditions but have never felt the crosswind assist do anything, looked through the settings in Driver Assist (see picture) and nothing mentions it. I rechecked the brochure from when we ordered it in June 2021 and it definitely says it should have it (see picture).

Vehicle was delivered August 2022, does anyone know where I can confirm or check we have it before contacting the dealer to query it?

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Do you have the ESP button on the dashboard?

andyinluton · Aug 20, 2023

WelshGas said:
Do you have the ESP button on the dashboard?

What would that show ? I’ve had 2 vans with & 2 vans without WA & they’ve all had ESP button.

I’ll have a look at the menus on the current van in the morning. WA as quite intrusive on the Grand California overtaking lorries, as soon as you got the nose in front it would slam on the brakes on one side of the van knocking about 5mph off your speed.
It’s nowhere near as noticeable in an Ocean.

Ch1pbutty · Aug 20, 2023

If you haven’t noticed it, then I would say it’s working fine or you don’t need it.

WelshGas · Aug 20, 2023

andyinluton said:
What would that show ? I’ve had 2 vans with & 2 vans without WA & they’ve all had ESP button.

I’ll have a look at the menus on the current van in the morning. WA as quite intrusive on the GA overtaking lorries, as son as you got the nose in front it would slam on the brakes on one side of the van knocking about 5mph off your speed.
It’s nowhere near as noticeable in an Ocean.

Unlike the other functions/options detailed on the MFD in the OPs photo the Crosswind Assist is part of the ESP ( Electronic Stability Programme ) system and cannot be switched Off preferentially, only the whole ESP function with the dash button, if you have the button. Some manufacturers don’t give you the option with ESP.

jam_hod · Aug 20, 2023

WelshGas said:
Do you have the ESP button on the dashboard?

I have this button.

I have never noticed any breaking or interruption when passing lorries and today with a couple of paddlebaords on the roof it was noticeable the wind buffeting so I'm convinced I don't have it yet believe it should be on my vehicle ‍

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dspuk · Aug 20, 2023

Did a little digging on this - like a lot of VW assist systems it's always more compex than it needs to be.

Cross wind assist (called side wind assist in EU) is standard on all Calis (and 6.1s) from at least Jan 2020.

https://www.vwpress.co.uk/assets/documents/original/24814-T61packFinal4.pdf

The option itself is std when you look at the spec and it's just inbuilt with ESP. The only indication it is doing anything is if you are driving in wind and it kicks in your ESP light will come on momentarily while it corrects. Then it goes off. You may not feel anything. You don't switch it on or off, there is no menu option that details it.

It's not clear if you switch ESP off it also deactivates, but one assumes it does.

yossarian · Aug 20, 2023

I'd be surprised if the T6.1 has a brake based crosswind assist considering it has module 44 (J500) the electric steering assist. If I dig around in module 44 I see OBDeleven referencing a setting called "straight line running" and live data called "straight line running correction."

But if anyone has more specific data please chime in.

dspuk · Aug 20, 2023

yossarian said:
I'd be surprised if the T6.1 has a brake based crosswind assist considering it has module 44 (J500) the electric steering assist. If I dig around in module 44 I see OBDeleven referencing a setting called "straight line running" and live data called "straight line running correction."

But if anyone has more specific data please chime in.

See my link to the press release from 2020 above and the options. It's there but I think your question is "brake assisted?" - the (silent) videos from VW on YT show braking on the video, which is more to ESP and is effectively how side assist works. See article.

I'm not convinced you would see it separately in the ODB if there are no parameters to modify.

I think the OP was asking if they have it - they have, it's std equipment. Exactly when it works seems less defined.

What is Cross-wind? How Crosswind Assist Works?

Crosswind Assist is a driver assistance system which avoids the loss of control over the vehicle and resulting drifting because of the sudden gust of wind.

carbiketech.com

yossarian · Aug 20, 2023

dspuk said:
See my link to the press release from 2020 above and the options

Yes, from that it looks brake based:

Cross Wind Assist

The Transporter 6.1 is equipped as standard with a new Cross Wind Assist feature. When the vehicle speed reaches 50mph, Cross Wind Assist is automatically activated. It then continually monitors the vehicle and its direction of travel. Should there be a sudden cross wind, the system uses the Electronic Stability Control programme and targeted braking of individual wheels to steer against it.

dspuk · Aug 20, 2023

yossarian said:
Yes, from that it looks brake based:

The second link more interesting. I had no idea how it worked, now it seems I do!

yossarian · Aug 20, 2023

dspuk said:
The second link more interesting. I had no idea how it worked, now it seems I do!

Looks like an in house MB setup

Bosch has a steering based solution that is similar: https://www.bosch-mobility.com/en/solutions/assistance-systems/lane-assistance-systems/ (see side wind compensation)

I think the T6.1 steering system is a Bosch system.

https://www.t6forum.com/attachments/1633573020476-png.132404/

WelshGas · Aug 21, 2023

jam_hod said:
I have this button.

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I have never noticed any breaking or interruption when passing lorries and today with a couple of paddlebaords on the roof it was noticeable the wind buffeting so I'm convinced I don't have it yet believe it should be on my vehicle ‍.

Only active at 50mph or more.

BrendanJ · Aug 21, 2023

Ch1pbutty said:
If you haven’t noticed it, then I would say it’s working fine or you don’t need it.

Do you work for the NHS?

jam_hod · Aug 21, 2023

Thanks all, I'll assume I have it then and just haven't been in windy enough conditions to notice it yet..

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